tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post8249205839194150924..comments2023-08-27T06:42:33.629-07:00Comments on Marty's Flying Vegan Review: Feeling Good About NothingMartyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14633111717619300610noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-4718472461625927052011-08-08T08:15:10.845-07:002011-08-08T08:15:10.845-07:00Hi and thanks for your comment. I'm not sure ...Hi and thanks for your comment. I'm not sure if you agree with me or not though. I don't think vegans are going to jump on the meat, egg or dairy bandwagon because the animals are treated a tiny bit "better" but I do think that others who might have been considering going vegan, eating less meat, or a shift towards a more plant based diet now have a mitigation of their guilt. <br />The thought, "Oh, it's terrible what they do to the animals," just might result in a few braincells coming up with a thought, in a meateater, that perhaps there is an ACTION that could be taken by them ... ie stop eating meat. Now the thought changes to, "It's not as bad as it was so I don't have to do anything."<br />Education about the wrongness of eating animals is what I'm saying must be done. Any money spent on animal welfare is better spent on vegan outreach and education. It's NOT ok to eat an animal if you treat it ok while it's alive. The treatment of an animal does not justify what you do to it in the end.Martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14633111717619300610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-13208958857484165282011-08-08T04:30:21.067-07:002011-08-08T04:30:21.067-07:00Marty, I understand what you're saying, but I ...Marty, I understand what you're saying, but I don't know any vegans who are suddenly going to start eating meat or eggs because the chickens now have a few more inches of space. The last time one of those "downed cow in a slaughterhouse" videos came out, I was waiting for take out at our local pizzeria. Of around 10 people in the shop, the report didn't even seem to register for most of them. The one comment I overheard was - you guessed it - "That's a shame, but I could never stop eating meat." We need to educate people about the absolute wrongness of eating animal products AND improve conditions for the ones that are going to be eaten by the people who just don't care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-71717709616151429002011-07-14T14:10:40.542-07:002011-07-14T14:10:40.542-07:00Hi Sara,
I feel very strongly about veganism but ...Hi Sara, <br />I feel very strongly about veganism but realize that people will approach it at their own speed. I think the goal is being vegan and that's what I encourage but I also agree with Colleen Patrick-Goudreau when she also advises people to start slowly, do what they can and learn, moving continuously towards the goal.<br /><br />Organic Girl, <br />Hi, and thanks for writing your comment. I have to disagree. I can absolutely be a vegan and own a computer, cell phone and fly a plane and of course you are right, they all contain animal ingredients. I can only do what I can do and given the option of flying a plane, (which is my job), comprised only of non animal ingredient, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think this is part of the "if you can't do it all why do any?" syndrome and I just don't buy into it. I still have leather shoes that I wear especially since they're much more waterproof than my vegan dress shoes but I won't BUY anything else made with animal products that I have a choice of.<br /><br />Cell phone is, for me, a necessity, not an option but when I retire to my self sufficient cabin in the woods it might not be.<br /><br />What I'm saying is that we have choices in some things and not in others and to hold out perfection in the way of betterment is a shame, imho, of course.<br /><br />I totally agree with you that eating local seasonal produce is the best way to eat. I think that would be vegan though, no?<br /><br />There might be some people who have interests in downplaying the health benefit of a vegan diet but a) there is an amazing amount of information about the debilitating effects of our current meat/animal/dairy centric diet and any shift towards a plant based diet has been shown to be of benefit and 2) the Vegetarian Myth is not a scientific study and if you google "criticism of "The Vegetarian Myth" you can read numerous reasons why. 3) Take a look at "The China Study" and any of the work by Esselstyn, Ornish, and MacDougal about the benefits of a vegan diet.<br /><br />MartyMartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14633111717619300610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-31761253190870637722011-07-13T11:07:41.765-07:002011-07-13T11:07:41.765-07:00Totally disagree with permanent veganism and veget...Totally disagree with permanent veganism and vegetarianism. I beleive we should eat in the seasons and be totally self reliant. You can't preach to be vegan and then own a computer, cell phone and fly a plane. They all need animal parts to function.<br /><br />Eating organic, local, seasonal produce is the best way for everyone.<br /><br />Plenty of evidence regarding the damage caused by long term veganism can be found all over the internet.<br /><br />There is also a great book called "The vegetarian Myth" written by someone who was vegetatian for many years.Organicgirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-61151129379919111882011-07-11T08:31:55.864-07:002011-07-11T08:31:55.864-07:00Great post Marty, I couldn't agree more and I ...Great post Marty, I couldn't agree more and I applaud your strong stance on veganism.<br /><br />I'm often tempted to let people off the hook because they say that it's just too hard for them to give up meat or eggs or dairy.<br /><br />But would I have the same attitude if we were talking about, say, slavery? If I heard someone say, "Well, I think it's a great theory to give up slaves, but I really, really like having mine," would I let that slide as easily? No way. So why should it be any different when we're talking about animals who are treated just as badly?<br /><br />Great blog, BTW!Sarahttp://www.sarabest.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-58064333314343392742011-07-11T08:19:35.418-07:002011-07-11T08:19:35.418-07:00Hi Abe,
I'm sorry I have to disagree with you ...Hi Abe,<br />I'm sorry I have to disagree with you here. Using a chicken and keeping her caged, (even if they get to that poultry promised land of 1 square foot of space per bird), is animal abuse and should be ended. The only way to assure that birds fare well (welfare) is to stop eating them.<br /><br />I am of the opinion that animals have not been placed on this earth for our use any more than people of color have been placed on this earth to be slaves. Same thing, different species.<br /><br />Go vegan if you want a "good thing" for the birds.<br /><br />MartyMartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14633111717619300610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8318016138085709866.post-63669723086746272062011-07-09T19:08:23.845-07:002011-07-09T19:08:23.845-07:00Having grown up on an egg farm- a farm which now w...Having grown up on an egg farm- a farm which now would be labeled as free-range (though not organic since we served commerical feed to the chickens)- I always had a problem seeing caged chickens on other farms. Caged farms were just becoming standard operation in those days.<br /><br />Economy of scale being what it is, I can't fathom that a farm our size (12,000 cage-free chickens) would be able to support a family today. I do believe the new guideline is a step in the right direction- more freedom of movement for the birds is definitely a good thing.abe c.noreply@blogger.com